Thursday, July 10, 2008
Why Is DBC All Bark But No Bite?
A simple analysis will reveal why.
Update: I encourage you to view Dr Hocokan's vlogs! First time see his face - finally connect his name to a face! And I am impressed with his calm demeanor.
Sorry - wasn't able to upload the vlogs so all I can do is type out the link:
www.dbcfacts.com./ (the ./ is important - it takes you to the vlogs, not the text version).
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33 comments:
Good blog... makes sense to me.
Hope DBC will heed your advice. Delegate power to other people, set up voting power for members, etc.
I agreed with you.
The DBC leadership is an issue and they failed. Totally bites requiring a strong organization with full of bucks $$$ and access to the hearing world such as government and media networks.
It's a long way for them to go. Good luck to them.
Dan
were you at the dbc conference? no.
was i at the dbc conference? yes.
how can you make those claims when you weren't even there?
i was there at the conf. and i saw plenty. what others have been describing is quite the opposite of what i witnessed.
too bad, really.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Three cheers!
Just wanted to point out that there are conflicts in what you recently shared about the DBC. Sean Virnig shared the advantages and disadvantages for having the coalition behind the social movement at the beginning of the DBC conference. On the last night, the DBC core members emphasized that the next steps are to be decided by the community. I missed the general meeting on the last day of the conference, but I understand that there was a large group of people who brainstormed ideas and shared their ideas on the future of the DBC. Thanks
She does have a valid question though. Heed her words. Gain Organization staus. Give voting power.
Mishka has a valid point: transparency.
Amy warned DBC: First impressions!
DianRez clarified DBC's confusion--grieving is to be separate from outreach.
Barry brings valid concepts on the table, "due process" and "accountability."
Aidan and Mishka also pointed out "consistency."
Aidan discussed about understanding "rights."
AnnMarie admits DBC members don't have voting power.
Seriously, the stuff just keep stacking on and on, this is coming from a lot of different strongly opinionated people--each with their own beliefs and perspectives coming together.
Perhaps the naysayers should finally realize, they have to answer not just a small group but to the whole community, now.
It's just too big to ignore, really.
Hi Cy and readers,
I wanted to talk about accomplishments. Yes it did many accomplishments. What are they?
1. 800 new participants in its first convention
2. Presentation: Dr. Barbara Kannapell: Bilingual Education of Deaf Children (Historical Overview)
3. Presentation: Dr. Bobbie Beth Scoggins: Early Hearing, Detection, and Intervention
4. Presentation: Dr. MJ Bienvenu: Bilingualism: Theories and Practices
5. Presentation: Dr. Patrick Boudreault and Dr. Genie Gertz: The Emancipation of the Deaf-World from Audio-centric to Visual-centric Values
6. Presentation: Dr. Lon Kuntze: "The Story Behind Learning to Read"
More information check http://www.dbcusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=10&Itemid=30
7. Workshop State Chapters for expansion
8. First contact between DBC members and AGBell members during rally
9. New friendship among participants.
Now there are new chapters setting up across USA and in other countries including Canada.
In the states, chapters will have their own representatives to contact administrator of each state level: Early Hearing, Detection, and Intervention. Many of us did not know anything about that until after the presentation.
So many things in only three days. Accomplishments. Of course yes.
Without the convention, how could we start?
I believe DBC will grow and learn to make sure that parents will get full information of Bilingualism.
Everything has done so many things in less than a year.
Accomplishments? I think it is far more than accomplishment. Parents and Deaf babies and children are our target group.
Yes DBC is growing and is learning.
Deafchip
Bite AGB? NO!! Work with AGB, YES!!!
DeafChip..
What a pity! You think WOW and Succeeded due to 800 participants (verry tiny). But in reality, no. You need $$$ for lawyers and media expenses. Too long way to go.
Do you think Government or School districts listen to you??? Where is your power?
Look at DBC leaders. Flunked! They just want their attentions but it won't work out.
It sounds you have been brainwashed by Deaf cults.
You keep supporting them for nothing. That is reality. You need to accept it.
Dan
Adele Ann,
If your information from Sean Virnig is accurate, then it's really great that the DBC/Deafhood leaders will hand over the reins to the community. The question is - will they? I hope they will.
Coalition is past its usefulness. It is time to graduate to an organizational status. Something like Bilingualism For Deaf Children - just transpose letters B and D. BDC.
I commend you, Cy, for your
courage for vlogging. More cans
of worms will be opened and all
truths will be heard.
Time to form a new movement under other people who would not act
like Fascists, who would not deny
voting power.
Amen!!!!!!
I would like to see more compititve with AGBELL. I do not believe that DBC ought to work with AGBEll means weak DBC. DBC must learn to stand on strong belief in language access and presents its own objective and that would lead to force AGBELl to work with DBC not DBC work with AGBELl. That makes clear DBC must be strong independence not to give any compromise!!! Good for DBC to learn hard way. David gave a lot of cheer! DBC needs to define its own position more specific and clear so that outside of Deaf Community can follow DBC better! Common Sense!!!
Cy, well said. David's definition of success is a reflection of Deafhood Foundation's narrow mindset... so narrow that they fell off it. No offense intended but its' the truth.
DeafChip,
Right! I went to DBC in Milwaukee too. Ben Vess and other bloggers are sooooo stupid and immatures. They need to shut up and leave DBC alone.
DBC Rocks! Deafhood Rocks!
Well, I don't see any cans of worms being opened... I see mostly concerns.
My eyebrows rose at Carl Schroeder's comment (no offense to Carl ;o) )
Hmmmm... now that DBC must have reached the level where it has to change its format, to become more savvy at business and politics, etc. It could be a good time for DBC... DBC could see the "uproar" on DR as a blessing in disguise, getting itself moving. Who ever said growing up is painful ;o)
You need to learn about DBC in a long way to go... You already fall into the crab theory. I was at DBC convention and found greatest infromation about Deaf history and the BI-BI language in ASL community. Next DBC Convention may be at FLA. You should go there and find to see by yourself..
Excellent, Cy.
Deafchip!
Where is the diversity?
All the presenters are deaf. No CI with ASL presenters, no hearing with ASL presenters and so forth......what's that?
No Voting Power! Per Anne Marie Baer's vlog. Self-appointed Leaders. It was full of betrayal.
DBC needs to apologize to the deaf community and this blogosphere.
What does the coalition mean?
Cy, it was me for asking Barb about the word, "Coalition" in Jon Lenois' vlog......
Must serve only one mission, not two.
Deafhood must go.....
Where is my favorite blogger, Deaf Pundit?
White Ghost
DBC is good for ASL Deaf children without beneficial amplification.
For deaf kids with cochlear implants and poential for auditory/verbal skills, DBC is NOT the organization to seek for information. They are not even are a valid organization. Tread lightly on their territory.
Cy,
Perfecto! You gave real great analogy of what the DBC have been doing. How true!!!!
I knew immediately when one particular individual got involved with the DBC last year. That individual was more likely to emphasize the ideology of Deafhood, instead of being a coalition member to contribute hir own expertise to make the organization being a real organization.
I did write the blog posting to urge the DBC to form as a professional organization with paid staffers during the infancy term. Guess what? My blog postings and given comments about DBC were mysteriously disappeared.
I had to change my blogsite's password few days ago.
DBC need to re-organize from stratch and do it like a real grassroot movement with paid staffers.
Good vlog posting!
Robert L. Mason (RLM)
If any member pay fee on DBC or Non Profit that where they get money from. It should be directly power to delegate and vote. There is law by Federal & State too. I was dealing member who required for inform about Fiancial or meeting minutes. I will give them answer. Member have full benifit for all as equal. You can check federal and state law about non profit or DBC by-law if any conflict. I hope you can resolve this issue.
Deafchip.
What I am asking is what DBC can really DO? Good, people went to the convention and give support. We have a chapter here in AZ, but no bite. Just boring meetings to discuss topics. All talk, no action.
I want to see BITES. Right now, at DBC's present status, nothing it can do, really. It does not have any clout.
I've said that I know DBC is still in its infancy, but it is time to move up its status and remove the leaders from their pedestals. They brought their personal agendas from Deafhood into DBC. This is not the time, place to do that. DBC needs to be its own organization, not a subsidary of another.
It doesnt matter whether I went to the convention. I know people who went felt great - all deafies from all over the place in one place and feel unified. I've experienced that at Gallaudet's DPN. Only difference is DPN DID SOMETHING!! DPN leaders BIT big time. They did it in ONE WEEK. The leaders unified the students - they went to the cafeteria everyday to share what was going on and invited students to stand on the podium to share their thoughts, ideas, etc. Some of their ideas were voted and implemented. This is the model we need.
What you saw at the convention was just that - a convention. NAD has more action!
We all came from every corner of North America to the convention for the first time.
We cannot do bark and bite without plans. If we did without plan, that would be far worse and nightmare. It would be anarchy. Of course we would not do that.
Gally is different because Gally is a small place that can be handled very easily and fast.
We have learnt and understood how the system work in the USA. Like Early Hearing, Detection, and Intervention (EHDI at both of
(Federal and state levels). Many of us are aware of that now. DBC Chapters will be able to meet with EHDI State administrators to push for bilingual approach. (that will be our BITE) We also learn how to sell Bilingualism to parents. We also figure out about DBC and its future and maybe it will change into a new model. I dont know.
You have same passion for Bilingualism. That is wonderful. Your view on approach is different from my approach. My closet friend's approach is different from my approach but we share the same belief in Bilingualism.
Deafchip
Deafchip,
You say DBC is working witn Congress with the EDHI bill? How come none of us heard about it except when RLM posted about it? That is what MZ is talking about. Where is transparncy? Where is intregrity? Where is honesty? Where is open communication? We are clueless as to what is happening inside DBC. Why?
Anyone can validate the fact that DBC is indeed working with Congress on EDHI? I'd be VERY surprised because Congress does not open door for a group that is just a social movement, a coalition. So I am indeed skpetical about this one.
Deafchip.
I have to ask - do you understand the difference between a coalition and an organization? What do you have against DBC moving up to organizational status? Are you content for it to stay a "movement"?
Cy,
Where did you find the word of Congress from my comment? I never say that. During the presentation, we just learned new information from NAD about EDHI system that is current in Federal administration and all state administration. AGBell, other organizations are involved in EDHI. So now DBC chapters know where to get in touch with EDHI administrators (state level) not congress or anything just a state department to make sure Bilingualism is included. I do know why you bring up the term of Congress. DBC was never involved in EDHI before. DBC chapters will.
The concept of coalition is various. It can be a group of individuals or organizations to fight for common mission or cause. It could be short term or long term or even permanent.
The concept of organization is again various. But it has a backbone of accountability (I like it myself). It can be short term or long term or permanent.
For now, we are sorting it out ourselves. yes we are challenging many new things that we have to walk through.
We now know more about various issues that we all did not know before. Now you, me, others are more aware.
I would appreciate if you read my comment carefully.
Thank you
Deafchip
Deafchip.
A coalition has NO political clout. That is my point. DBC does not have any bylaws, any procedural due process, etc. Nothing. Please view Ann Marie Baer, MZ and Dr Hocokan's vlogs/blogs. DBC is NOT any kind of organization. It is a movement, that's all. Therein the problem.
It can talk - all DBC do is talk. They say a lot of things. That's why I said they're all bark but no bite.
COngress WILL NOT work with DBC. So what if DBC knows about it? Nothing they can do about it. NAD can.
I dont know why you keep deflecting the real issues and keep defending DBC as if we are attacking it. We are not. We are concerned about where it is heading and about what it can do.
Perhaps part of it is you're a Canadian...I am not sure if you know the history and about who the DBC leaders are. Most of us know and can relate to what is going on.
Your idea that a group can "be anything it wants to be" doesnt fly especially if it comes to helping deaf children and education which is a lot at stake. DBC needs to be a formal organization, no question about it.
The leaders don't want to to become anything more than a movement because they want to preserve their power and control over DBC - they don't have to answer to anybody. I really am baffled as to why you don't catch on to what is going on.
Hi Cy
Typo:
I do know why you bring up the term of Congress.
Proper type:
I do NOT know why you bring up...
Sorry about that
Deafchip
Hi Cy,
It is too bad that we did not see a lot of excitement and anticipation, when DBC said that they would be next to the AGBell's convention, during this year, there was a lot of anticipation and seeing what would happen. Unfortunately, AGBell played shrewdly in this game and acted very nonchantantly about this whole thing. Perhaps DBC made a mistake to be next to the AGBell convention and instead should have arranged for their own convention instead.
John Egbert, the founder of DBC, it appears that he just let people do whatever they could do in this organization, right? What happened? Did John get overtaken by overzealous people? Was it because he was very generous with money and basically told them to get moving on and to fight against AGBell without laying groundwork or structure? Once a group protests against a well-known organization, they are usually looked down or seen as a bunch of troublemakers. Just like the mother who lost her son in Iraq War, she protested against Bush and even camped out near his home in Texas but she got nowhere and had to give up. I wonder if movements are designed to backfire and provide very short-term satisfaction? Was this a mistake on DBC part because they operated as a movement instead of an organization??
Deafmommie,
It started out as John's personal quest against AG Bell and then he recruited support from those who hated AG Bell, Oralism and CI. Deafhood Foundation turned out to be perfect candidates for John quest against AG Bell. Why? Because Deafhood Foundation are radical group of people so they fitted in together.
What went wrong in Milwaukee? They lacked strategic plans and goals. They wanted to build momentums fast without building foundation first. You can not build anything without foundation and that is what they just did. Now DBC is shabby and unsettling due to lack for foundation.
Money and deadlines have a lot to do with their bad judgements. They wanted to stand up to AG Bell's upcoming convention so they raised funds like crazy and spent most of their energy raising funds and planning for their own conference. Messages were patched together sloppily and rushed into all the wrong places with so many wrong messages, generating many wrong First Impressions.
They can't blame anybody but themselves. I tried my hardest during my four months tenure with them but they were hard headed group of people who were set to change everybody's mind except theirs. How they respond to current debate is evident enough. They are dismissing the entire debate and sticking to their guns. Coalition? Integrity? Bilingual? Simply not there.ntegrity?
Hi CY
We already aware that DBC does not have a voting system. You have to check on greenpeace org. The greenpeace org. does not have the voting system. Anyway... DBC may be to set the voting system in the future unless 50 or more DBC chapters ( states, each city/town, and international ) affiated to DBC's headquarter. It will be a long way to build this system. Please give more time for DBC.
No, DBC has to die.
Scoggins, Kuntze, and other presenters should be ashmaned for presenting at a convention that is based on hidden messages, brainwashing, intimidation, and hatred.
John Egbert, damage control is not going to work. You have lost my respect as you have again and again insulted some people who did not agree with you. For example, you called Ben Vess a kid. I am totaly disgusted with you and DBC in general.
We, Deaf people, are dsappointed as we were hoping DBC would be THE organization to promote bilingualism for deaf babies without any negative connonations toward dissenting views or differing philosophies.
DBC and you are just a SHAM.
We, Deaf people of America, are waiting for a new organization to come out:
1. that is for bilingualism.
2. that is not pro or anti hearing technology.
3. with core members who come from all walks of life (hearing, deaf, hoh, ci, non ci, certificated teachers of the deaf, audiologists and/or speech therapsts)
Deaf people, can we all please just turn our backs and walk away from DBC and the specific people and start something anew.
A new orhganization that AGB would be comfortable enough to put a link on their website for parents to go as a resource for bilingualism.
John,
Green Peace is an organization with by-laws and recorded minutes. Don't compare DBC with Green Peace.
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